A 5E Super Sad Tank

In this post, we’re going to cover building an extremely effective, Single Attribute Dependent tank in 5e. This character can hit hard, has good HP and AC, phenomenal saves, and a ton of in and out of combat utility.

Pretty much how the GM felt.

A bit of background: my D&D group had just finished a campaign where we relied on stealth and trickery to overcome (bypass) most encounters; between a rogue/bard who had godly skills, a shadow monk with Pass Without Trace, a ranger/rogue, an Eldritch Knight with Boots of Flying, and a Wizard/Sorcerer so paranoid that he was ALWAYS prepared to cut and run, there were not a lot of encounters that we couldn’t just sneak by.

It was fun, but it quickly became a game of “everyone into the Bag of Holding while we buff someone to sneak past the encounter, or fly over it, or talk our way out of it, or etc…”

In the new campaign, we decided to take a more traditional “kick in the door” type of approach and we would probably need a tank. I decided that I would make the tankiest tank that ever tanked. But I don’t have fun just doing things directly, so I added another restriction: he would also have to be the most SAD character that I could make. In other words, super tanky and relying only on a single attribute: I picked Charisma just for fun.

What we want in a tank

If my tank was going to be incredibly tanky, he needed multiple ways of staying up and useful ways of supporting the party while he was up. This meant high HP, high saves, darkvision (to maintain effectiveness in the dark), and enough spells and/or damage to “hold aggro” or at least keep the enemies’ attention. Lastly, as a matter of good character design we should optimize our action economy to make sure that we have viable options for all 3 types of actions: bonus, reaction, and action.

Enter the Paladin: the perfect chassis. It had everything I needed: HP, great support spells, healing, and phenomenal saves once the level 6 aura came on-line. We can also pick up the Protection fighting style which will allow us to use our reaction to impose disadvantage on an attack against an ally. However, a vanilla Paladin is not very SAD at all: you need Constitution, Strength, and Charisma to make an effective character. Could I simplify it? Yes I could: enter the Hexblade. (Recently published in Xanathar’s Guide to Everything).

With just a single level of Hexblade, we now had a character on the front-line and who uses Charisma for attack and damage. The Hexblade’s Curse ability also gives us increased damage and crit range (19-20) on a single target once per short rest. We can take advantage of that increased crit range to smite enemies, ensuring we remain a threat while also optimizing our damage dice pool. On top of that, we can now add Shield, one of the best defensive spells in the game to our repertoire. The extra level 1 spell slot that recharges on a short rest was just a bonus. 

Now all our Paladin needs is Charisma and Constitution. While I couldn’t find a way to fully remove the need for Constitution from a tank, I did find a way to feed Charisma back into survivability. Enter the Shadow Sorcerer (Recently published in Xanathar’s Guide to Everything). While a level of Sorcerer adds some oomph to our spellcasting and some additional spell slots for smiting, it also brings darkvision to the table, and more importantly an ability called “Strength of the Grave”.

Starting at 1st level, your existence in a twilight state between life and death makes you difficult to defeat. Whenever damage reduces you to 0 hit points, you can make a Charisma saving throw (DC 5 + the damage taken). On a success, you instead drop to 1 hit point. You cannot use this feature if you are reduced to 0 hit points by radiant damage or by a critical hit. After the saving throw succeeds, you cannot use this feature again until you finish a long rest. 

Now any time our Paladin would be dropped to 0 he makes a CHA save to instead drop to 1 HP. While the DC will be too high to be reliable for most boss fights, it will certainly help against ranged attacks and large groups of enemies. In addition, Paladin’s have the spell Bless on their spell list enabling us to gain an additional +1d4 to our save and attack rolls while also buffing two other allies.

Could we get more durability out of Strength of the Grave? Absolutely.

At our 6th level of Paladin we are adding CHA to all of our saves from Aura of Protection. This means at character level 8, when the whole build comes together, if we have an 18 in CHA and we take we are adding +4(CHA) +3(Prof) +4(AoP) = +11 to our CHA save, with bless active we now have a minimum of +12, meaning that our tank can never be dropped by less than 9 points of damage and on average it will take at least 17 damage in a single hit to knock out our tank.

An Emergent Theme

At this point we’ve got a character who’s mostly a Paladin, with at least one level of Hexblade and one level of Shadow Sorcerer. It seemed clear to me that we were building toward a fallen paladin. Fortunately for us, the Oathbreaker subclass was not only thematically appropriate, but offered a ton of benefits for battlefield control and maximizing our action economy.

In addition to completing the dark, shadowy theme of our character we gain the spell Hellish Rebuke which allows us another option for reaction. More importantly though, we gain Dreadful Aspect, an important channel divinity feature:

As an action, the paladin channels the darkest motions and focuses them into a burst of magical menace. Each creature of the paladin’s choice within 30 feet of the paladin must make a Wisdom saving throw if it can see the paladin. On a failed save, the target is frightened of the paladin for 1 minute. If a creature frightened by this effect ends its turn more than 30 feet away from the paladin, it can attempt another Wisdom saving throw to end the effect on it.

For the low cost of a single action we can, once per short rest, force all creatures within 30ft to make a Wisdom save or have disadvantage on all attacks against us and our allies as long as we’re conscious and they’re within 30 ft. This is important because it heavily encourages enemies to either attack us or to run away. In other words, it’s a phenomenal feature to “draw aggro” and it can change the course of an entire fight.

Since our allies are already heavily incentivized to stay close to us thanks to our +CHA to saves aura, and Protection FIghting Style, this puts us in a win-win scenario: we either draw the fire of enemies (being a good tank) or force the enemies to temporarily retreat from the party (battlefield control).

The Shadow-Steeped Oathbreaker 

The build comes together nicely with only two one-level dips to enhance our Paladin chasis. If we go with the Human variant in the Player Handbook, we can easily start with Resilient(CON) to have a 16 CON and 16 in CHA by level 1. Of course, the build works well with Aasimar too and if you are playing a Human, you could pick up the Warcaster feat instead of Resilient(CON).

The full build is online from level 1, but gets a definite bump in effectiveness at levels 7 and 8 when we gain our second attack, 2nd level Paladin spells, and  Aura of Protection. We end up with a character with the following abilities:

  • Tankiness
    • Paladin’s d10 hit for all except 2 levels and 16 CON mean high HP
    • Monstrous saves with ability to buff through spells
      • Prof in CON, CHA, and WIS saves
      • CHA added to all saves and saves of allies via Aura of Protection
    • Strength of the Grave means we will never be dropped by mooks and only rarely be dropped by ranged attacks
  • Battlefield Control/Aggro Management
    • Dreadful Aspect – protects the party and causes all eyes to be on us as enemies take disadvantage on all their attacks
    • High melee damage- Between smiting, two melee attacks, CHA added to damage from the Hexblade and then added a second time from Aura of Hate, and the Hexblade’s curse guarantee that our damage output is always relevant and we stay a high-priority target
  • Support
    • Healing – Lay on Hands, cure spells, and eventually (if you play to 14 levels of Paladin) Cleansing Touch ensure that we can always add a bit of sustain to the party
    • Buff and debuff spells- Keeping bless up adds to our durability and helps the party to hit and save, then there’s many other abilities such as Aura of Vitality for healing, and many others. We can always take additional levels of sorcerer to gain metamagic if we find that we need to quicken spell or need to make enemies fail their saves more often.
    • Protection Style – A highly underrated fighting style that allows us to impose disadvantage on a single attack against an ally as long as we’re wielding a shield and the ally is next to us. Preventing heavy hits helps keep our strikers, off-tanks, and unfortunately positioned casters from going down during the fight. 
  • SADness
    • CHA to attack, damage twice thanks to Hexblade and Aura of hate
    • CHA to all saves and the saves of allies within 10ft thanks to Aura of Protection
    • CHA save to avoid being reduced to 0 HP except by radiant damage and crits, thanks to Strength of the Grave
    • CHA based spellcasting for save DCs

All those abilities and it’s CHA based. So far we’ere looking pretty good.

The action optimization breaks down to the following:

  • Action
    • Attack – 2 attacks with +CHA to hit and + 2xCHA to damage, ensuring our average damage will be extremely high.
    • Spellcasting – Bless, Aura of Vitality, Dispel Magic, Daylight, Heroism, etc. Because of our high saves we need to receive more than 24 damage from level 8 onwards before we even have to roll a CON save to maintain concentration, making us an ideal party buffer even on the front lines.
    • Channel Divinity – Control Undead or Dreadful Aspect are  both almost always worth the cost of an action when they’re needed.
    • Lay on Hands – Not the best use in combat, but a great way to guarantee that an ally pops up with a decent amount of health.
  • Bonus Action
    • Hexblade’s Curse – A good debuff, especially to take down bosses, it increases damage, grants advantage, and restores HP when the target goes down.
    • Smite spells – Not the best choice, but often good when an enemy needs to go down now and you’re not already concentrating on a spell.
    • Expeditious Retreat – A level 1 spell found on both the Sorcerer and Warlock spell lists. It has a Bonus Action cast time, and allows the caster to dash as a bonus action. This spell is a top-notch pick because it allows our Paladin to always be where he needs to be on the battlefield, closing great distance into melee rather than relying on sub-optimal ranged attacks. 
    • Aura of Vitality – While this is a 3rd level spell, we can now use a single bonus action to heal an ally for 2d6 per round, there is not a better healing spell short of wish. With a single bonus action we can bring any ally within 30 ft back into the fight or patch up wounded allies.
    • Quicken spell – While not in the base build, if we do take sorcerer to third level, instead of one, then we have the ability to transform into the ultimate gish and quicken action length spells into bonus actions. Highly recommended if building as a striker instead of a tank.
  • Reaction
    • Shield – Buff your AC to stop attacks from hitting you.
    • Protection Style – Impose disadvantage on an enemy attack against an ally.
    • Hellish Rebuke – Deal damage to a foe who just struck you.
    • Opportunity Attack – Punish a foe for leaving your range.
    • Absorb Elements – One of the best level 1 spells in the game, perfect fit for our character. Reduce incoming elemental damage and add damage to the next attack.

All in all, it looks like our reaction has a healthy amount of choice without being overloaded as each choice is for a somewhat different scenario. We have plenty of actions thanks to Divinity, Spellcasting, and our two melee attacks.

The only area lacking is our bonus action which has preciously few options. Some would suggest filling that gap with the warlock spell Hex but an extra 1d6 per hit (only our hits) that requires concentration pales in comparison to the other party-wide buffs on which we could use our concentration. Instead, if we decide that we really need to fill up our bonus action options, taking additional levels of sorcerer will allow us to quicken spells and guarantee that we always have a good option for our bonus action.


In a quest for a super-tanky SAD character we came up with a Variant Human Paladin 1/Hexblade 1/Shadow Sorc 1/Paladin X build with an incredible amount of support, healing, damage, and durability. Theme seems to suggest a darker, Oathbreaker, type of character but there’s absolutely no reason that we couldn’t use other Paladin subclasses. 

The recently published Paladin of Conquest from Xanathar’s Guide to Everything would also provide most of the same benefits as the Oathbreaker.

Our character can hold the front-line, maintain enemy attention, buff the party, debuff enemies, spike damage, and should always be the last one down in a fight. Best of all, we’re a phenomenal tank from the get go and an unstoppable one at level 8 when we gain our 6th level of Paladin.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions? Feel free to reach out to me on Twitter @FinlamElmanor comment on this post. Talk to you next time!

If you enjoyed this article you may also like A Fistful of Dice or the Eldritch Sniper.


Update 3-7-2018: Corrected typo – Hold Person cannot be cast without additional investment in either Warlock or Sorcecer. Thank you, Althexia, for catching that!

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43 thoughts on “A 5E Super Sad Tank

  1. Note: You can’t use Hold Person with this build. That’s not how multi-classing works. Considering that your Warlock and Sorcerer levels are both 1, you only have access to 1st level spells from that class.

    When picking spells, one must consider that each class as an individual class of that classes current level, and what level spells are available for it at that level. Sorcerers and Warlocks don’t have access to 2nd level spells until level 3, and you would there for need at least 3 levels in either Sorcerer or Warlock in order to get Hold Person. Keep this in mind.

    Source: http://engl393-dnd5th.wikia.com/wiki/Multiclassing

    1. Thank you for catching that!

      You are quite right, listing “Hold Person” as an available spell was a typo!

      That said, if you still want Hold Person, going to Warlock 3 or Sorcerer 3 will get it for you. It’s a great tactical option, especially if you’re building more striker than tank.

      1. That is an excellent suggestion!

        Oath of Conquest has a lot of overlap with the Oathbreaker subclass: you can definitely choose Conquest without loosing much at all, and you gain quite a bit.

        Personally, I just enjoy the channel divinity option to control undead and the little bit of extra damage that comes from the Oathbreaker’s level 7 aura, but there’s really no wrong decision between the two.

        1. I was eyeing the Conquest/Hexblade SAD multi, primarily because I wanted the Spiritual Weapon. Add that to the Hexblade Curse, and you’ve got 3 attacks/round with the CHA+Proficiency bonus (and 2 get the +2 for duelist if I go that route instead of protection). Throw in a Hex spell for a little extra damage if needed (although I think you’re right about Bless being better for party).

  2. I like your build, but you made a little mistake.
    If you go the oathbreaker route,all your sacred oaths change to the oathbreakers.
    Aura of protection changes to Aura of hate. Sadly, your normal party dont benefit from that aura (RAW).

    1. Aura of Protection is an Aura from the base Paladin class gained at level 6.

      Aura of Hate is an Aura from the Oathbreaker subclass gained at level 7.

      Fortunately, we can have both =)

      There is a restriction that allies can only benefit from the same Paladin Aura one time:

      :A creature can benefit from this feature from only one paladin at a time.:

      Fortunately, this does not stop a creature from benefiting from multiple auras from the same paladin at a single time. It’s also a great restriction, otherwise you’d have 3 Paladins in a party and everyone would have at least +15 to saves!


  3. A bunch of mooks could very easily down this character because Strength of The Grave is only good once per long rest.

    1. Between high AC, high HP, and consistent, solid damage output, mooks aren’t generally much of a concern to this character; Strength of the Grave is just a really good back-up option for when you NEED to be up next round. As a Paladin, you can always heal yourself if you need it, but if mooks are dealing that much damage, then you’ve got bigger problems to worry about.

    1. With the extra spell slots we gain from multiclassing we can smite more and our damage does not fall far behind a single classed paladin, but our versatility and tankiness are leagues ahead.

      In addition, the Hexblade dip allows us to focus only on CHA, rather than building a traditional MAD paladin.

      Shield (+5 AC for an entire round!), Absorb Elements (half damage from a fireball, and a damage increase!), and Strength of the Grave work to boost our survivability and tankiness, while Eldritch Blast and Expeditious Retreat help to ensure that we are always maximizing our damage output by being in the right place or having a suitable ranged attack.

      The goal of the build is to be the ultimate tank and it does it very well, falling only slightly behind in damage. If you want the extra attack at level 5 you could go for straight Paladin, but you will be significantly less tankier.

        1. That’s how I’ve done it and I’ve really enjoyed it!

          Though some people would prefer to go for Paladin 2/Hexblade 1/Sorc 1/Pal 16 so that you can start smiting ASAP.

          1. Any particular reason why you didn’t take another level Hexblade? The eldritch invocations False Life (More HP) and Lance of Lethargy (Slows down enemies, giving you a bit of extra crowd control) look pretty good.

      1. Also, one more question. I am assuming you are wearing medium armor for this build? With front loading Con and Cha there would be no ability to wear heavy? Or are you doing a point buy to enable three high scores for the heavy?
        Standard aray would be 15 Cha (+1) 14 Con (+1) (+1 Resilient). Where then do you prioritize Str, Dex, Wis and Int?
        Sorry for so many questions. I haven’t played since the early 80’s. Trying to catch up to 5e. Starting in AL and this looks like it would be legal and fun.

        1. I’m currently running the build at level 8 as a vHuman for Resilient(Con).

          I started with this array 15, 14, 13, 10, 10, 10 (You can find all valid arrays here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/2epkdi/5e_here_is_a_complete_list_of_valid_ability_score/)

          Stats at start were

          STR:13 = 13
          DEX: 10 = 10
          CON: 14 +1 (Race) + 1(Feat) = 16
          WIS: 10 = 10
          INT: 10 = 10
          CHA: 15 +1 (Race) = 16

          I don’t really like having negative stats, so this seemed like a good way to allocate the ability points without having too many drawbacks. As we level, we need only to focus on CHA and, once that’s maxed, take whatever feats you desire i.e. Sentinel, Pole Arm Master, Shield Master, etc…

          Keep in mind we HAVE to have at least a 13 Strength to multi-class out of Paladin. The 13 STR qualifies for the respectable Chain Mail, making our AC:

          16 (chainmail) +0 (Dex) + 2 (shield) = 18 before any magic items or buffs.

          Use the Shield spell (which lasts until the start of your next turn) and the base AC increases to 23.

          So far this works well: last session this build tanked over 30 attacks in a single encounter without going down, even after getting critted.

          Not too bad for level 8. If you want to keep it AL legal, just use the Conquest Paladin instead of Oathbreaker and you’re good to go!

          1. I’m definitely going to try this build, it looks amazing.

            Correct me if I’m wrong or have missed something, but don’t you need the warcaster feat to be able to cast Shield…while also holding a weapon+shield?

          2. You’re right! I always forget that rule because I never play with it. As long as there’s a focus on the shield and no costly material component we generally don’t care about the rest.

            If your group is concerned with that type of thing there’s two options: swap Resilient(Con) for WarCaster (allows you to use Eldritch Blast for Opportunity Attacks) or abandon using the mundane shield (-2 AC) until you can pick up Warcaster later. Both of these will allow you to use the Shield spell in combat: one has less HP and slightly worse saves, the other has slightly less AC will probably require a different fighting style. It’s a tough choice.

  4. Thanks for the awesome ideas! What feats or ability score improvements did you take? What spells for warlock and sorcerer?

    1. The spells I took were:

      *Absorb Elements
      *Feather Fall (no particular reason, I just have a thing where I have to take that spell if I can)

      *Expeditious Retreat

      Some useful cantrips I picked up were:
      *Eldritch Blast
      *Lightning Lure (situationally useful)
      *Prestidigitation (clean that armor after combat so we don’t look like we just stepped out of a Dragon Age game)
      *Booming Blade (keeps damage relevant before 2nd attack, could also go with Green Flame Blade)

      Then I prepare any number of Paladin spells depending on the needs of the day. It turns out the Paladin has a pretty good spell list. I usually prepare:

      *One smite spell (just in case)
      *Cure Wounds (just in case)
      *Summon Steed
      *Locate Object (we lose or track things a LOT in the current campaign)
      *Protection from Good and Evil (a top-notch buff)

      I ALWAYS prepare those last two without exception because they are REALLY good spells. Most of spell slots end up going into Shield and Smite.

      For Ability Score Improvements, unless you’re playing in a group where you need Warcaster, just max CHA as soon as possible. After that, go for whatever you want: Shield Master is OK, Sentinel is OK, Warcaster is decent if you can get the Booming Blade cantrip, Prodigy (from Xan’s) could give you expertise in Athletics which would be useful, or you could just increase CON to buff that save and build up those Hit Points even higher. There’s no wrong answer, but the best answer will depend on your style of play..

  5. I’m sorry but you made one significant mistake about this build. Aura of Protection only works if you are conscious, or in other words not incapacitated. By definition, when you drop to 0 hit points, you’re automatically unconscious, incapacitated, desperately grasping at the last straws of life.

    So no, you don’t have double CHA modifier bonus to Strenght of the Grave saving throw, you only have your baseline (CHA mod + PROF mod) bonus.

    1. Strength of the Grave states “When damage reduces you to 0 hit points, you can make a Charisma saving throw (DC 5 + the damage taken). On a success, you instead drop to 1 hit point. ”

      In other words, the save is made before your HP is reduced and before you are incapacitated.

      You definitely get the bonus from Aura of Protection.

  6. you can’t take Warcaster at level 1 Paladin because you need to be able to cast spells already, which a Paladin can’t until Level 2. This means you need to wait until Level 6 (Paladin 1/Warlock 1/Sorcerer 1/Paladin +3) before you can get another feat, which could be Warcaster.

  7. This seems like a really good build! I’ve been thinking about my character for weeks and ever since I found this I’ve been wondering how to change it to better suit the idea that I have. I’m really debating replacing the sorcerer level for a bard level because I think Bardic Inspiration paired with the Inspiring Leader feat on a build like this would make for a cool leader that makes everyone feel great about themselves.

    I was thinking for bard spells I would take:
    -Bane- Protect my allies and myself by debuffing enemies
    -Featherfall- For the reasons you mentioned.
    -Healing Word- Get downed allies back up again and fighting
    -Charm Person- For in and out of combat purposes, and fits the character concept.

    -Message- so as the leader I can organize the party discreetly.
    -Minor Illusion- So many creative uses with this that it’s a spell I think you could always include in a plan.

    I’d be missing out on Warcaster so that would mean missing out on a shield and probably taking the Defense style and picking up a shield and Warcaster at lvl 4 paladin.

    What do you think? I hope the changes wouldn’t weaken the build too much. For reference, we’ll be starting at level 4 and everyone is quite squishy, in fact we’re going to have a monk with 6 constitution lol. We should have a monk, ranger, druid & me, the multi-classed paladin. Jeeze, in typing this I just realized how much wisdom we’re going to have and yet not have.

    1. Swapping Sorc for Bard sounds like it could be really fun. I’d imagine it would play (sort of) like the 4E Warlord, a very support heavy leader.

      I can say from experience that Inspiring leader is an awesome feat. The temp HP both help to make allies less squishy and help them to maintain concentration as it soaks incoming damage before they have to roll to maintain their spells.

      Healing word is a very STRONG spell because it has great action economy (Bonus Action) and it can bring up unconscious allies from a distance of 60 feet. Great choice all around.

      The only recommendation I have is to go for Bless over Bane because I believe with the +1d4 to hit and the +1d4 to saves, you’ll get a bit more mileage out of it, but it’s really not a huge difference at the end of the day.

      I think your build is SOLID, I love it!

  8. What are your thoughts on using the following build:

    Oath of Vengeance Paladin 6/Hexblade Warlock 5/Sorcerer 9?

    I like the on-demand advantage of OoV, eldritch smite from lvl 5 lock, and spells from sorc. Not sure what sorc domain to take though. As a Vuman, I’d probably go shadow sorc for darkvision (which pairs nicely with Hexblade, thematically). As a tank though, draconic would be better for resilience.

    I’ve also considered pal6/lock3/sorc11….thoughts?

    1. I could see Draconic Ancestry for the resilience.

      Fun fact: when the above guide was first written, the Shadow Sorc had only been published in Unearthed Arcana and the Strength of the Grave feature was considerably stronger as a defensive option. The ability in official publication is still OK, but only just OK. If you see difficultly getting Rings of Resistance, Draconic Ancestry may be the way to go.

      For Paladin 6/Hexblade Warlock 5/Sorcerer 9 vs pal6/lock3/sorc11…

      I’d definitely go with the latter: In the first build, the additional 2 levels of warlock will get you

      *An ASI
      *One more Warlock spell known
      *One more Invocation (Eldritch Smite)

      You’re trading it for:

      *Higher level spells
      *More spells known
      *More spell slots

      There is also the chance that your DM buys into some of Jeremy Crawford’s twitter rulings and allows you to *only* spend warlock slots on Eldritch Smite.

      If you’re fine with that, then it may be worth it to take Warlock 5: combined with the expanded crit range from Hexblade’s curse, you should be able to (sort-of) guarantee a crit once per short rest and use both paladin and warlock smites on the same strike for impressive damage.

      I have to disclose a hard WARNING though: if your group has lots of encounters between long rests, this build will become very unsatisfying. The two 3rd level warlock slots will recharge on a short rest, but they will be stretched thin even in a single encounter. Once you’re out of spell slots, the tank is empty and you’re left falling back on just regular melee attacks.

      In other words, if you get lots of rests between encounters and you really like to just throw a pile of damage dice down on the table once or twice a session, then Paladin 6/Hexblade Warlock 5/Sorcerer 9 will work fine for your play-style; otherwise, I think you’ll get a lot more enjoyment out of pal6/lock3/sorc11.

  9. Would you mind explaining the statement: “a level of Sorcerer adds some … additional spell slots for smiting”

    From what I’ve read about multi-classing, we would add the one sorcerer level to half the paladin levels, and look up the slots granted on the multi-class spellcaster table. It appears that this usually results in the same number of spell slots as going straight paladin.

    For example, a paladin 6/sorcerer 1 has a combined effective spell slot level of 4 (6/2 + 1), granting 4 1st level slots and 3 2nd level slots. Which is the same number of acquire by going straight paladin 7.

  10. If you’re allowed to, play a Yuan-Ti Pureblood for that sweet sweet magic resistance, poison damage/status immunity, and CHA bump. Shores up your magic defenses even more.

    1. 5th edition does not penalize your saving throws for wearing heavy armor. In addition, once you hit 20 CHA, your worst saving throw is a +5. If you need a bigger bonus, cast Bless.

      If you still want to wear Medium armor, go for it, but there is no mechanical reason it’s necessary.

  11. I’m currently playing a variant of this build and loving it. Instead of the level of sorcerer I took a second level of warlock which gave me two Eldritch Invocations. Taking Devil Sight replaces Eyes of the Dark with the ability to see in magical darkness as well. For the second I took Grasp of Hadar for more battlefield control.

  12. I’m running the build – this breaks if you don’t have a STR of 15 for plate & 13 for Chain mail… I’m running the build in a game where I ended up with STR 10. I have been effective but I think relying on the spell side of things is limiting if you’re running multiple encounters without interrupting rests & with hours in between and you can only channel divinity so many times or have a lot of the spells you mention. At lower levels you have to be very careful, I lucked out since I started the character at level 7 – 1 Lock/ 1 Sorc/ 5 Paladin with a lucky roll on the magic item starting gear of Adamantine scale. I’ve taken a couple of hits when straight melee but zero crits and got missed more than I got hit. That was all AC and shield of faith, I later added a +1 shield and necklace of protection (20AC unbuffed in scale mail). I took defense feat (+1 AC) instead of protection since my party is all ranged for the most part. The suggestion that CHA increase for tankyness is really for damage imposition, not a tanky trait per se but plenty usable in it’s bumped form for persuasion and intimidation. I’m not disappointed, just a little limited

    1. If your DM’s a stickler, you cannot multiclass out of Paladin without at least a 13 Strength; if you’re running the build at all, then you at least have chain mail.

      Fortunately, being Charisma SAD enables us to take a lazier approach to leveling stats and up our CON and CHA to 16 ASAP, granting us more survivability (higher HP and saves) than a traditional paladin. If you can manage to utilize your level 1 slots for Shield, then you’ll be much better off than a standard paladin with substantially higher AC as well.

  13. The more I think about this build the more I believe it’s indeed broken. Once you go Oathbreaker at level 7 per your comments above you’re an evil pally and can’t rock both features of good and evil (AURAS protection and hate), doesn’t make sense to double dip imho. So you’re now evil and can’t use the good based benefits of the original class, see page 97 of DM’s guide. Specifically it mentions the transitions between previous and Oathbreaker oaths that wipe away benefits of the other oath. I’ve been playing this and now upon cracking the DM’s guide see that I probably should have really looked more at this.

  14. Finlam, I’ve posted a couple of things you haven’t approved in moderation. I’m glad you didn’t accept them – I get it, I have good news! I’ve found the loophole that would allow the character to be viable as a good or neutral character. In my current build (playing in Rappan Athuk) mod, Orcus plays heavily in the storyline, I found the perfect mechanic that fits your build and the storyline. My pally Keth Greycastle is your oathbreaker super sad pally who was formerly a paladin of Orcus who has broken his oath to Orcus and is now Lawful Neutral. I’m running a “Haunted One” background that I created a storyline surrounding my hatred of undead and by default Orcus. Oathbreaker answers the problem by starting evil and breaking my oath to the evil god. Voila, your build working!

    1. Sorry for the delay, I haven’t been checking comments as often as I should. I’m glad you’re enjoying the build.

      But yes, I am running the character as a Chaotic Evil paladin at the moment. He happens to be best friends with the Lawful Good Cleric in the party. It’s all about how you play the characters and how your group plays together. The dichotomy of Evil/Good and Law/Chaos, is a really fun dynamic that I don’t think all groups can explore without the game deteriorating into pure shenanigans, but if you can, I’d say “Go for it!” it’s tons of fun!

  15. It seems you only need shadow sorc here for strength of the grave. Would it become unnecessary if you went with Oath of the Ancients Paladin? At level 15, it gets practically the same benefit:

    “Starting at 15th level, when you are reduced to 0 hit points and are not killed outright, you can choose to drop to 1 hit point instead. Once you use this ability, you can’t use it again until you finish a long rest.

    Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically.”

  16. Am I able to get a character sheet picture for this? I’m still pretty new and I love this idea and wanted to try it

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